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An Interview with
Don Asbridge: About Psychology in the Schools
by Michael Shaughnessy
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Don,
first of all what is KASP?
KASP is the Kern Association of
School Psychologists. We are one of several regional affiliates
of our state association, the California
Association of School Psychologists (CASP), which in turn, is a state
affiliate of the National Association
of School Psychologists (NASP). We are proud of our rich tradition
as one of the longtime leaders among California regional affiliates.
Now,
what is KOG?
The KOG is short for The
KASP Online Gazette, which is a monthly online newsletter (for lack
of a better descriptor) published on our website. The KOG, in it's
own inimitable style, addresses important issues in education, mental health,
psychology, and, um, more! The
KOG Editor (that's me!) asks questions, forwards the null hypothesis,
and always encourages a strong healthy scientific skepticism. The
KOG has been online since approximately 2002.
Interested readers are invited to visit The KOG at: www.kernschoolpsych.org/kog.htm
It goes without saying that any views or opinions expressed in The KOG
are not necessarily supported or endorsed by KASP, CASP, NASP, or anyone
else!
Now,
what is the APA (American Psychological Association)
saying about school psychologists and the practice of school psychology
in the schools?
I of course cannot speak for APA, but they have proposed, and apparently
intend to follow through with, their Model Licensure Act (MLA), which would
no longer allow nondoctoral-level psychologists to use the title, “psychologist.”
Technically, APA is removing their “exemption” for school psychologists.
Nationwide, the vast majority of school psychologists are masters-level
practitioners. When/if MLA goes through they could conceivably no
longer be school psychologists. Viola! At the present, no one
knows what new title they would hold or if they would even remain employed.
If the MLA was only about titles, no problem, but the potential implications
are far broader in scope than just titles. I am most concerned with
the following: 1) that thousands of nondoctoral school psychologists
will or might be replaced by mere hundreds of doctoral level psychologists,
resulting in less services for students; 2) that the present educational
model will or might be replaced by the clinical model; and 3) that the
MLA would or might result in large-scale confusion, if not chaos, regarding
existing educational laws, procedures, roles, programs, personnel, funding,
and more in the schools - extensive legislative and/or legal actions would
or might be needed to finally sort out all of this. Ultimately, I'm
most concerned that all of this might adversely affect students.
The interested EdNews reader is encouraged to obtain more information regarding
APA's MLA at the NASP website (www.nasponline.org). On that site
there are links to review the draft version, review NASP's analysis, and
for stakeholders to speak out (click on the link, “Tell APA what you think
about their draft MLA”). Reminder - if you are reading this, you
are a stakeholder… be sure to speak out, pro or con, on this issue!
What
do you see as the biggest problem currently facing the schools?
Gosh, I don't know where to start -- there are so many! Most of my
concerns are related to money, greed, power, politics, laws, and red tape.
I am highly concerned about how much of the taxpayers' dollars are drained
by some bloated, outdated, and/or ineffective public education programs;
see the February 2009 KOG (“The
Money Issue”) for “Seventeen Programs that Need To Go.” And it
will take years for the schools to recover from NCLB - we have to start
seeing students as human beings… not as mere test scores. And it
would be great if more adults in the schools would just treat students
with respect and dignity…
As it relates to our present topic, I wish we would quit calling students
horrible names, like “disabled, disturbed, disordered, and retarded.”
Students need to go to school to get an education, not a diagnosis.
In
your mind, what is the difference between the clinical model and the school
model?
There are huge differences between clinical psychology and educational
(or school) psychology. Volumes could be and have been written about
the differences between the two schools of thought.
In the interest of brevity, I am most concerned about the following difference:
school psychology uses state and federal special education laws (i.e.,
IDEA) as the guide to special education eligibility and services, as contrasted
with clinical psychology, which primarily uses the Diagnostic & Statistical
Manual (DSM) as the guide. Clinical psychology implements mental
health therapy and medications to “treat” these, um, “DSM conditions.”
Rebellious teenagers are rounded up into anger management classes while
national mental health depression screening days bring thousands more into
the system. And the mental health field (i.e., clinical psychology)
is increasingly working hand-in-hand with the psychiatric field.
With so many children in the public schools, the millions or billions of
dollars at stake cannot be ignored. Simply put, a lot of people make
a lot of money every time a child is [mis]diagnosed by mental health with
ADHD. It goes without saying that some big pharmaceutical companies
are doing very well at the present. And to be fair, a lot of money
exchanges hands every time a child is [mis]diagnosed by special education
with a learning disability.
The KOG is not inferring that the present special education [behavioral
RtI or the traditional discrepancy] models under IDEA are perfect either…
it's time to drop both of them and the DSM in schools. The KOG has
continuously advocated that schools instead move to Rights Without Labels
(RWOL) approaches. It is important to note that RWOL isn't something
I just thought up one day - RWOL is a NASP-approved approach. RWOL,
in real language (at least as I conceptualize it), means, “If the child
struggles with reading, just teach him or her to read! If the child
is struggling with a real-life issue, help him or her strive toward finding
a real-life solution that works for them so they can ultimately successfully
pursue their goals related to life, liberty, and happiness.”
What
does NASP (National Association of School Psychologists) have to say about
what the APA is suggesting?
Just as is true for APA, I cannot speak for NASP. In the April 2009
KOG there is an explanatory letter written by the present NASP president.
Again, the interested reader is encouraged to visit the NASP website for
further information regarding this issue. Just to be fair, you might
want to visit APA's site to get their views too.
Don,
let me be blunt here----we can't get enough teachers in the schools, can't
train enough guidance counselors and school psychologists to replace the
ones that are retiring, so how are we going to get full Ph.D.'s into the
schools?
I share that concern… I think the schools should keep every qualified dedicated
professional educator who actually helps students. Running school
psychologists out and replacing them with a Ph.D. who will “supervise”
(i.e., monitor medications and case management loads) from a distant ivory
tower just won't work well for students in my opinion. If APA's MLA
goes through, approximately 37,000 ex-school psychologists will or might
be replaced with what, 2,000 doctoral level psychologists?
Your question, however, alludes to much deeper concerns related to the
overall present state of public schools. Maybe now is the time for
revolutionary changes in education? Maybe if a kid needs mental health
therapy, then s/he should go down to the local mental health center, receive
services, and if those services “work,” then the student could show up
to school on time the next day ready to learn?
One
school board member said to me about the rising number of kids on psychotropic
medications-he said, “we are running a school, not a psychiatric ward.”
What would you say to this individual, and does he/she have a point?
I would agree with the board member. If the board member thinks things
are out of control now, wait until the clinical model becomes the primary
service delivery in the schools! I hope you'll encourage the board
member to visit The KOG and then speak out against APA's MLA!
Don,
the number of kids with autism is increasing, the number of kids with asthma,
epilepsy, and deaf-blind are increasing. Is our society asking the
schools to do way too much with too few trained people?
I'm not convinced that real autism is actually increasing, but it is obvious
the number of students diagnosed - or misdiagnosed - with autism is significantly
increasing. In November of 2008, it was announced twenty percent
of teenagers have a “personality disorder?” And how many millions
of students have been handed an ADHD diagnosis? Depression?
Bipolar? Aspergers? Conduct Disorder? And more?
Give me a break!
Past Senator Bob Kerry said, “when half the population is in the pen, they're
no longer criminals, they're the norm.”
Almost always, all that exceptional students really need are reasonable
accommodations through ADA/§504 (just like everywhere else in America
outside of education), to be treated with respect and dignity, and, um,
just as is true for every student - empowerment. In my opinion, based
on everything I've learned in over twenty-two years on the front lines
of public education, the vast majority don't need a lifetime of special
education, mental health therapy, and meds.
So to answer your question, yes. The public schools are in many ways
doing way too much to “help.” Societal pressures sometimes play a
huge role but we in the schools ultimately have ourselves to blame.
We should just provide a high quality education for students - that is
what we are trained to provide and that is what taxpayers, parents, and
students expect us to provide.
What
have I neglected to ask or what would you like to further discuss?
Parents and students, please continue to gather information from a variety
of sources regarding this and related topics and ask great questions.
Education, mental health, and psychology in the schools are experiencing
dramatic changes at this very moment. You have the largest say in
these changes because you are the true experts. Please speak up and
don't forget to visit The KOG the first of every month!
Michael, I want to thank you and EdNews.org
for this interview, it has been my privilege.
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